Where did this kind of begin, perhaps, for you?

It's a really interesting question, actually, because I suppose what you know in a moment in time, sometimes you reflect back on things and you realise that the story began before you realised the story was starting.

Does that make sense? So, I mean, I've worked in CAMHS for a long time.

I started before the millennium, so 1999, I started working CAMHS.

Before that, I worked as a social worker and I've had the opportunity along the way to work in adult mental health as well before working in neurodiversity teams as well and sitting across those diagnostic teams and the clinical intervention teams.

And I think my journey working with autistic people started long before I realised that journey had started.

And I look back now and I see so many of the adults and and children that I worked with early in my career in clinical work in CAMHS was with people who we would now say they are autistic.

So as an example, I think I've confined myself saying like, oh, but they... present so easy you know as soon as they come in the room you will think of them as being autistic and I'm blushing now and I feel embarrassed when I say it because it was something that I think you challenged so well or invite us to consider and reflect upon as clinicians um and I guess maybe it connects to what you were saying Cesar I was wondering if you could speak because I also love how you do this in your writing a little bit just about sort of the history and the tracking really of our understanding and even the naming of autism