[laughs]

It's very big.

They're to- totally different things.

I mean, I had been...

My career, I haven't been in an agency for 30 years, but I've been in the fashion bus- industry for 30 years.

Um, and that was something I always loved, love, loved s- since I was a little girl, fashion, models, photography, styling, all that stuff.

But, um...

Mm-hmm