And, um, how did that song come together?

That song was really about my feelings while I was writing the r- when I was working with Stuart in the beginning, and a lot of people were in my ear saying, "Oh, you should do this, and you should do that, and you should collaborate with this person, or you should make this kind of a song." And making me very, like forcing me to, um, focus on what's popular, you know, algorithms, following trends, and I, I found it to be the antithesis to art and creativity.

So I was struggling with that paradox.

And so, you know, when I say, "Don't try to distract me with numbers.

I did it all for love," I'm like s- I don't wanna think about streaming numbers when I'm writing a song.

I need to tell the story, you know what I mean?

Um, like, who did, who did you first meet at this club? Like, what, what about this club stood out to you so much?

People's fashion.

And this is why you have to hold on to relationships even more precious, but don't let things destroy you at the same time.

We live in a very busy, chaotic world.

Lots of noise, lots of distraction.

I mean, how many times have you heard people say, oh, you know, social media and like all the, you know, people can't walk down the street without listening to music.

Everybody has to be visually stimulated all the time.

Like there is no peace.

There is no quiet.

Why do you think that was? Why were you looking for answers?

What's your intention for being here today? Why now? Why today?

Well, in the past, I've usually done interviews to promote my work, whether that's music or a tour or film.

Um, but today, I would like to talk about my spiritual life and the spiritual path that I've been on for over 28 years.

This wisdom, uh, has helped me navigate the, the ups and downs of life, for lack of a better expression.

People ask me a lot through the years, like, "What is the reason you're still sane? What is the reason you keep going? Why have you not fallen by the wayside like other people?" Um, definitely a lot of my peers who, uh, who are no longer with us, like, "What would you say is the key?" And I would say, "That it's my spiritual life." I absolutely would not be where I am or who I am if I did not have that.

It's helped me enormously, as I said, um, navigate the ups and downs of life.

So, I, I feel like, uh......

It's a long time.

How was-

Well, my mother died after giving birth to all my brothers and sisters, so literally, like, the year after my youngest sister was born, my mother died.

So, I, I always equated motherhood with death.

So in, and I also equated it with I could see she was not happy.

I could see she wasn't living the life she wanted to live.

I equated it with death.

I, or I equated it with no freedom, or I equated it with no, no life except taking care of other people.

That's how it felt?