And I wonder in talking to people and preparing the exhibition, if any of that came out, like how do they feel now about being American?

Like, I think it's also, it sounds like different from the generation as well, because it's getting fewer, but the some child survivors generation, they had been struggled so much being Japanese and being American.

And they really wanted to be American to show their loyalty to the country, to secure their life and not to be segregated, right? So, I also learned the term modern minorities from one of those artists.

Because that's the way how they protect themselves to keep their life better in this country.

And I also can see in the art as well, right after the war ended, a lot of artists went to abstract like a post-war abstract lots of Japanese artists went to abstract I think it's kind of the trend in that time as well but they many of them on purposely I think avoided to be more yeah they couldn't state direct the expression or they needed to meditate or they needed to find out the state, their own state at that time.

Although inside the camp, a lot of both professional and amateur people created a lot of art.

And one writer and a curator named these types of arts and the crafts called Art of Gaman.

So that really kind of hit me that you're an American citizen, but all of a sudden by a presidential order, you're not, really.