So how did you get into BIM?

Yeah.

Well, you also asked about my name.

So the name is Dutch origin with a French surname.

But I was born in South Africa, immigrated in 2007.

When my mom and dad came over and started here, I got an interesting story.

I know that a lot of people in the industry are trying to force me back into my roots and they're very, very, very kind in doing that.

Hey, is it okay if I do this? Would you be upset? What type of advice would you give to somebody in the BIM world that wants to start a similar community somewhere else? Yeah,