... about, yeah, about what James Brown played, and if you were late James Brown charged you what, a yard? Is that what it was if you were late for any session or if you're, if you, you were off-key?

N...

I can't remember what the, what the fine was, but he, you know, he, he would come up...

He would fi-...

He didn't have like a, a set, set rule.

You know what I mean? It's just whatever he just happened to think of, come into his head, like, okay, you 25, $25, $50, $100, whatever.

It wasn't like a cer- a, a set thing, but you gotta...

Yep.

LAUGHTER

Yeah, well, I smile.

I have something to smile about every day, man, believe it or not.

Sometimes the way...

It's almost like dominoes.

You line up the dominoes and one falls.

And even though you are...

So how was it also with a guy like that, you know, to see Ray Charles, another living legend? Well,