This is what works for me.

Yeah, so good.

So true.

I feel like I know for me when I, I have this fairly vivid memory of Kenz and I, we had hired like a leadership coach who came in and was kind of helping us with our dynamics with one another.

And I remember we did some like personality assessments to kind of look at some data of like how our personalities are different and how we would work together and all these different things.

And I'll never forget when we got the results back, like I remember looking at Kenza's and hers were like woo and like relator.

And they were basically all like fun, nice, sweet, kind, like everybody loves you.

I

Mm

... that they're still grasping onto, and almost, like, without realizing it, realizing that in that tight grasp, like, the shackles continue to just, like, be around their wrists at all times.

And it's really in, like, the letting go and the releasing of your hands that I think those shackles begin to fall off, and Jesus can, can do what he has always wanted to do in our lives, and that is lead us into freedom from these things that so many of us are entangled in always.

So for me, what I've really seen is that, like, if I really want freedom from pride, if I really want freedom from comparison, it involves a really thorough and intense and messy surrender that for a l- many years of my life-

even the, the topic of humility?

Yeah.

I would say when I think about pride in my own life, these days it shows up in, like, some of the, I feel like some of the ugliest ways of, like, in motherhood, it's so [laughs] easy to think, like, my way is better than other people's way.

Um, I think about it in friendship a lot of times, like, "Wow, I'm such a better friend to them than, like, they are to me." Um, and I think, like, I think for me a lot of times pride shows up in expectations.