lose a gold hubcap?

Yeah, it went rolling away.

No, I was just like, could this get any worse? You know, so I got out of the car.

I had kind of like wiped my tears and I went into the GM's office and I kind of made that decision like right before I went in, like.

okay, I'm bad, like I can do this, I can figure this out.

So I walked in there with way more confidence than I ever needed to show.

Like I was like, hey, I am great with people, I'm gonna be number one in sales, I promise you that.

But all of that, I think it takes one, it takes courage to go against the grain to step out but can you unpack a little bit like this like no talent no talent required like what does that mean for you and how you show up day to day and within all your circles of influence

title because it's bold but why that title

okay so thank you by the way i like that title a lot too at first i was like i don't want to start a book about positivity with a no and then i thought okay well It truly is.

Everyone thinks that you can learn some talent skills or leadership skills, but that it takes talent, but it really doesn't.

You can learn to be a good leader and not have a talent skill base.

You just have to be intentional.

So the book is No Talent Required, The 12 Leadership Practices That Drive Culture, Trust, and and productivity.

So when we're talking about this, it's the basics, right? Attitude, gratitude, courage, empathy, adaptability, direct communication skills, community outreach.

So I want to give that is you talked about courage in leadership and you share a story about your mom in the book, but without giving away too much, that is, that is the tricky part there, right? What did that experience teach you about leading through difficult times?