How did it feel to face that environment?

Well, women were pretty much coming along then, so there was a significant number of us there.

The interesting thing about what I did was I went into a law firm.

The law firm had been around about 250 years, and I was the first black woman they ever had.

And it was interesting for that reason.

Although, I didn't find it daunting.

I didn't find it disturbing.

Do you think like fear in relationships, like fear of like takes over like kind of all the other good emotions in a relationship and then people kind of just jump to like divorce?

So what are the real reasons that we don't leave, that we feel like sometimes that we're trapped? And are those reasons that we stay or feel trapped, do you think it's the same for men and women?

I think change is just extraordinarily hard.

And when you divorce or leave, you are unraveling each and every part of your life.

How much money you have, your clothes, where you live, where your children are going to be.

Is it going to be child support? Am I going to get along? Am I going to find a place to stay? So you've got some kind of stability right there.

So you stay and you think maybe, you know, I could just fix it a little bit.

And I always say stay or go is such a limiting question.

I'm talking about.

So what are the real reasons that we don't leave, that we feel like sometimes that we're trapped? And are those reasons that we stay or feel trapped, do you think it's the same for men and women?

I think change is just extraordinarily hard.

And when you divorce or leave, you are unraveling each and every part of your life.

How much money you have, your clothes, where you live, where your children are going to be.

Is it going to be child support? Am I going to get along? Am I going to find a place to stay? So you've got some kind of stability right there.

So you stay and you think maybe, you know, I could just fix it a little bit.

And I always say stay or go is such a limiting question.

I know in 20 minutes, I

So what I want to know is what's actually happening in between those two things, where you go from, I can't live without them, to I can't believe I stayed that long.

Once we get married, we spend all this time getting the wedding together.

Once we get married, we think we're done.

That's when the work starts.

So very rarely do you feed the marriage in the beginning.

And very rarely do you feed the marriage in a way that you're going to decide how you're going to deal with conflict.

You just get married and think everything's going to be fine.

How do you navigate and see what those triggers like? How do you, like, I assume it's kind of like the bumpers, right? Where you're like, Ooh, how far can I go? What's going to trigger them? I don't

So what I want to know is what's actually happening in between those two things, where you go from, I can't live without them, to I can't believe I stayed that long.

Once we get married, we spend all this time getting the wedding together.

Once we get married, we think we're done.

That's when the work starts.

So very rarely do you feed the marriage in the beginning.

And very rarely do you feed the marriage in a way that you're going to decide how you're going to deal with conflict.

You just get married and think everything's going to be fine.

How do you navigate and see what those triggers are like? I assume it's kind of like the bumpers, right, where you're like, oh, how far can I go? What's going to trigger them? I don't worry too much about what