But a level above that is like, should we be doing this at all in the first place? Should we be doing

this at all? Yeah.

And I'm definitely more on that level of the debate.

Why? Explain to us why.

I don't think we should bring children into this world with the idea of directly handing them over, you know.

And so I was actually on TV this week to talk about this.

And I try to explain like the whole surrogacy thing.

Is it true that if you question this, you're still getting smeared as anti-gay or is that still happening now?