How did you come to know Jesus?

Jesus?Yeah, I mean, so the, the fun thing about, uh, like my testimony is like, you know, for the longest time I felt like my testimony's gotta somehow be more dramatic, and like, it's just not, y'all.

It is just not.

Like, I grew up with a mom who is a freaking prayer warrior.

Mm.

Uh, and so even with all my craziness, like, she was just determined that the Lord would have us.

And, uh, so she would kinda drag us to church.

I love that.

would you say to

those people? I would say that first, I would acknowledge any hurt that they've been through and be like, I hate if that has been something you've experienced.

I hate that.

I'm sorry for you.

And I'm not here to push back on that.

I don't doubt that you have experienced that on some level.

The other thing that I would say, though, is...

But as a pastor, where do you think churches should stand on that question?

Give me one of your worst preaching experiences of your entire life.

You wanna know what the funniest thing ever is? That my worst preaching experience was probably the same day that my current worship pastor, like, when I went to speak at his church where we first got connected.

So I'm not kidding you, I don't even know if this is gonna be like we can keep this on the podcast.

This was the funniest thing ever, though.

So I'd, again, I forgot that I had this engagement.

I'm there, I do a D now, and they want me to stay for Sunday, and I'm standing on the front row and, like, Lindsay comes to meet me for preaching on Sunday, and there's a guy that, like, looks really, like, he's really sweating in the front row and, like, he's in a suit and tie, but it's, like, really, like, raggedy looking, and he's almost sweating through the jacket.

The tie is, like, disheveled and kind of torn down, and he's got something in his hand, and then he, like, pulls it to the side and he starts, like, sipping on it, and I was like, "Lindsay, there's a guy drinking a Miller Lite in the front row." And I was like, that would've just been weird enough, but so I'm about to get up and preach, and the guy takes the Miller Lite, it's a glass bottle, and throws it at the worship team.

Yep.