Now,

noting that in Queensland, the rules are different to New South Wales and Victoria, like in Queensland, as long as you are a party to the conversation, you are allowed to record the conversation.

You're allowed to record video from anywhere so long as it is not an area where reasonable privacy should be expected or it is an automatic privacy area like a bedroom, a bathroom, a change room.

Years ago, I used to work as a private investigator when I tried to get out of IT.

All the work I got was about tech.

So I went, well, I might as well get paid to work in tech and went back to tech.

But as one of the examples, we were trained to that.

And what about people out in the community, the average Joe out in the community when he comes across someone that's using the glasses?

Okay

... uh, that went, that was down in Sydney, so booked a flight, went down to that.

Um, it was, it was a well-run event.

I don't think it aligns for the type of work that I do, though.

Um, the type of work that I do is very business to business, not business to consumer, and I found that most of the journalists they were putting in front of there were business to consumer-focused outcomes.

Um, so and their, their methodology was, "We'll make, we'll intru- we'll provide you email addresses.

You have to pitch yourself to them." Then I went to, had a conversation with another one where I wasn't able to attend due to a conflict, um, where, again, it was a slightly different approach, but it might have been all right, and that was with a publicity princess, and they had a fairly good model.

Mm-hmm.

Luke, I don't know, am I in conspiracy theory territory here thinking that, you know, China or Russia or some country could try to wipe out our telecommunications because it would effectively bring us to a halt? Or is that the modern warfare that we should prepare for?

Thanks for having me.

I don't think you're crossing too far into conspiracy theory territory there at all.

It's a common acceptance within the cyber security community and amongst the defence community that the cyber domain is the new domain of warfare.

We've always had land, air and sea, and space has been recently added, but now we have cyber as well.

The reason that exists is it allows a degradation of capability remotely from a point of safe attack or safe methodology for the adversaries to perform that.

It means that they can disrupt communications, lower confidence in the populace and its government's ability to protect them in order to try and remove the will to fight, in order to remove a much more challenging method by which to gain control or gain advantage.

It would stop the country in its tracks, right?