Can you tell me a little bit about your journey in nutrition, maybe as an adult?

Yeah, well, for me, it's been quite a journey.

Like I first kind of started out, I guess it would have been to go back maybe like 10 years to when I went to uni.

And I was like an omnivore before, just like growing up in New Zealand.

I was really interested in nutrition.

So like I started to go to the gym when I was a teenager, learn about protein and the kind of most basic things around nutrition and I also used to get really bad migraines as a teenager so like they would completely take me out for like a few days and I learned about nutrition with making some changes there with diet and supplementation and I actually completely stopped getting them so that was kind of the first like aha moment for me with nutrition that I was like This is actually really important and it can be life changing.

And I went to university and my best mate was vegetarian and I ended up living with him and our whole flat went vegetarian.

So where is that sort of category error? And how do you see that idea of diet versus ethos and philosophy with respect to veganism?