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Lukasz Kaiser

Lukasz Kaiser

OpenAI member of technical staff and co-author of the seminal "Attention Is All You Need" transformer paper, formerly a research scientist at Google Brain and CNRS researcher.

Sep 7, 2026

1:23
Mm-hmm
1:23
... and, and then they charge for it, right? That, that concentrates it in the sense to get the...
1:29
Like, to me, even the current models are not smart enough.
1:34
So, so, so, so there is still-- They, they could be much smarter.
1:38
Right? There, there may be some research breakthroughs that are needed to make them smarter with less data, but since research breakthroughs, you know, sometimes they come, sometimes they don't.
1:47
They're not like a business proposition.
1:49
But the big companies are like, "Okay, but you can do things without research breakthrough, which is to go bigger, bigger, bigger." Now, that is very concentrating.
4:31
My last question for you is, what makes you feel optimistic that the future of AI is going in a direction that will be truly open and broadly empowering for everyone?
43:59
Do you think it's more likely than not that that's the case? Like, I guess-
44:02
You know, it depends on the day.
44:06
On my positive days, I do.
44:11
You know, research has always brought us beautiful things.
44:14
There is no reason to think it won't.
44:18
But then the techniques we have also seem to work so well that it just feels mind-blowing.
44:26
It would be a big mistake to not push on those too.
46:33
Do you still feel that's the case? And what's your kind of current state of the union on the multimodal world?

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