At what point and what do those retainers look like? Again, I'm asking the context of what makes it interesting for these creators.

Once again, I look at it just like a company, like Oracle.

Imagine if Oracle didn't give their people a salary.

You might make $300K a year, $400K a year at Oracle, and maybe 80% of that is commissions, but you still have a $40K salary.

It takes a couple months.

Oracle will go hire great salesmen.

very hard company to work for and to get accepted to.

Talk to me about the calls.