Like, how important is it to have these goals, these athletic goals, if I may, in helping, helping us, helping busy people stay with their workout program, their habits?

Yeah, no, that's a great question.

I think it's, um...

You know, we, we can't forget that it, it obviously is...

It's human to be on medicine.

It's human to need some of these things.

I, I, I think it's one of the pieces that you can have big goals and be on blood pressure medicine.

When you look back, does it surprise you on how far you've come a- and what you've accomplished?

What was your career path from cut epoxy say some of the guideposts along the way that led you to the highest of accomplishments?

Well, I mean, you know, I, I, I joke with a lot of young folks now that are sort of trying to hack their education and figure out how to get into the outdoor industry and They might want to become guides full time.

They might want to get into product development.

They're not sure how to do it.

And I think these days there's – I think it's a little bit easier.

There's actually universities that have master's degrees in the outdoor recreation economy.

Like there are ways to sort of go about stepping into it.

That's what they do, right? I