How did it happen?

That's a very good question, you know, because I'm an economist, so I'm not, uh, um, an engineer or a technologist.

I'm an economist of industrial economics, and I have, uh, two PhDs in industrial economics and game theory.

And nowadays, working on AI, it is-- I can see that it is very useful to have studied game theory, and of course, during my PhD, I had to program and I had to code and, and so I can understand technology, let's put it this way.

Um, and, um, having studied game theory, it made it much easier for me to understand AI, I think.

I worked for the commission since the end of the '90s, and I started as an economist in the econ-- financial and economic department, and then later moved to do, um, the economics of digital technologies because at the time, this was not a refraction that was yet taking place.

From there, then I made my career until I, uh, now in the AI office.

But, uh, if they're not joining the AI Office, what can they do?