What was business like at that time? What had transpired? What drove you to get in touch with Rob and start this journey? What was it like at that time?

Yeah, so 20, I was basic, I was on the tools full time up until probably the end of 2017.

Around 2015 and 2016, I had a crack at hiring guys and I kind of got to that five to six guys mark.

and just didn't know how to manage anybody.

I didn't know anything about managing staff.

I didn't know anything about profit margins on jobs.

I didn't know what I was making or anything like that.

But what was that moment for you that sort of happened that made this become