But I was wondering if you could talk about how maybe the view of the private sector of these communities has changed over time, because clearly it's not particularly easy to run a business or a factory or something like that in a place where there's bullets flying all the time.

Well, you know, since 2006, 2007, when I started working in these neighborhoods and creating that organization back in 2012, I have been trying and saying to the private sector that they cannot be visitors in the neighborhood.

that they come in, they work there, they make their money there, then they go out and they don't care about the community that they live in for a good eight, nine, 10, 12 hours a day, six days a week, okay? And so their perception of their presence in the community had to change.

They had to become part of the community and not just people who came out from somewhere else to come and work and make money in the community.

And unfortunately, it's been a tough sell.

And things started to change, I think, somewhere around 2010 with the earthquake, because the earthquake killed whether you were poor or rich, whether you're a businessman, you're from the private sector, or you're a small time business person selling mangoes in the corner.

in a corner stall.

And that doesn't seem to be working out very well to me, if I may be honest.