So Lou, when did you hear that American Horror Story season 13 was happening, and when did you hear the concept of what it was?

We were on the shards in LA, and Ryan says, "Lulu, we're gonna do, uh, s- season 13 of American Horror Story, and, uh, it's gonna be, everything is 13, 13 episodes, thir- you know, on and on."

I know, yeah

... just kinda running around.

And, um, I said, "Oh, God, we gotta figure out," and he said it was gonna be in New York.

I said, "We should fig- you know, discuss who's gonna design it." I said, "Well, you, you have to be a part of it because it's all the iconic costumes." I said, "Yeah, but I can't, I don't have the bandwidth to d- just design one show anymore and oversee things." And-