He was very good.

Oh, yeah.

[laughs] I think the mood, um, the mood amongst Sun people is pretty just heartbroken.

Um, you know, he, he, he, he wasn't just a cartoonist.

He had, he was instrumental to the origins of the Sun.

Now, I didn't join the Sun until eight years after it was founded, but the very beginning.

He was the art director.

Well, there's kind of a romance to that in a way, Lori.

Okay, so tell us a little bit about your article when we have a former anti-Semitism envoy resign because she realizes that, I guess, her assignment is just window dressing, and then we have a new advisory council, which looks like even bigger window dressing with just more people.

Yeah, I mean, you know, and she said, you know, that they're You know, there's all kinds of meetings going on about all kinds of subjects in Canada that are viewed as emergencies, but not anti-Semitism.

I mean, you know, we hear from—and I did it on the Liberals specifically.

It's bled down into every level of government.

We don't need to hear when, you know, Jewish synagogues are being shot up and there's arsons of Jewish businesses and university students who are Jewish are terrified.

We don't need to hear that anti-Semitism is not who we are.

You know, like, okay, it is or it isn't.

How hard is it to say when it comes to crime, when it comes to keeping communities safe, we don't care what religion you are?