And when you did that first game, did you think, yeah, I like this? Did you feel that buzz straight away or did it take a couple of games to get into it?

No, I think it takes a while.

To be honest, I think it's hardest at the beginning.

We spoke a bit off mic earlier just about the extra pressures when you begin and just a lot of pressure from the sidelines.

When you're at a big stadium, it's just noise.

When you're at a small pitch with 20 people at the side of the pitch, you know that person that is shouting those comments.

So it's very more personal.

everyone thinks that when you start refereeing it's like that and you go straight up hitting targets all the time but a lot of our guests have talked about the season when things didn't go according to plan they take a hit they don't get promoted or they even get demoted in some instances what was your career path like Lorraine is it