So, yeah, where do you want to start with that? What was the start of it for you?

Well, my experiences with the patriarchy is probably where it began because I went into the world of work very young, then took a break to have kids and then went back in and decided that because I'm of that generation who was influenced by the women's movement in the 70s, I was probably of the generation that benefited from the Equal Pay Act and so there was a real mood to go out there and prove that we could do just as well as men and I hadn't gone to university or anything like that and I went into some pretty aggressive sales environments that were firmly male-dominated.

And that was really challenging.

I worked in the car industry, selling cars.

I lasted six months.

I was eaten up by that industry.

And I worked in the publishing industry, selling ad space.

What do you think about that? What have you found and what have you seen in other people that they've gained outside of the obvious?