Oh, it is.

It's not facing right at you.

It comes across, and I don't know what kind of an a- you know, I'm no mathematician, but whatever it is, it's really strange the way it sits across the fairway there.

So how do you approach it? Uh, yeah, you could try to run it up, which is a good way to play if you're, you know ...

I mean, I've hit five irons from 120 yards there to run it up.

But it's fairly steep, and it will not, you gotta hit it with, you know, the, the right sort of speed and to, to get it up there.

So I think also when you're standing on the tee and you see, let's say, where the pin is up there, you can play the hole backwards, which is a good way to do it and think about it.

Yeah

Um, and there, you know, debate as to reasons for that, right? But, you know, talk about kind of, you know, the, what's the mystery side?

I think the mystery side is his personality as well.

I mean, you know, when I first met him, I was only, as I say, 13 or 14 years old at a Toronto driving range, and he was at the ...

It was a great place to learn the game as a kid.

It was a two-tiered driving range.

It had a regulation-length nine-hole course.

It had a night-lit 18-hole par three course, had a massive putting green, and my dad would take me there.

... that he was not able to replicate on tour here.

How did you meet Mo Norman, and what kind of impression did he have on you?

you?Well, I was very fortunate.

I grew up in North Toronto, and, um, you know, really a five-minute drive away from my house where I grew up, [clears throat] there was a driving range called DeHavilland.

It was a two-tiered driving range.

It had a nine-hole regulation golf course.

It had an 18-hole night lit par three course.

Wow.

Yeah.

But how do you think that will kinda compare in the way we talk about it, think about it to, to the, the chokehold that it felt like McIlroy's quest for the career Grand Slam had on the golf world? Like, I would say can Rory win another major will be just as much a question heading into the US Open as can Scottie get the career Grand Slam.

It will be, but I think Scottie, you know, he's im- he's, he seems to me that he's immune to outside pressure, external pressure, in a way that Rory wasn't.

I mean, Rory said he, you know, he could feel that.

You know, every, every year it was a question, "Are you gonna win the Masters? Are you gonna win the Masters?" With Scheffler, I mean, you know, I think you can't talk about Scheffler without talking about the strength of his faith.

He talks about it all the time when he walks, well, you've heard this, when he walks away from the golf course, his identity is totally returns to the human being that he is.

It's not, he's not wrapped up in winning.

I think he really wants to win for the pleasure of kind of being in the fight.

Um, what do you think the future holds for him, and, and will we see him again in competitive golf?