What first made you interested in understanding burnout more deeply?

Well, it was because of my own experience with burnout.

So I had been in the field of emotional intelligence for a long time.

And I thought because I was doing the work that I loved, I found my passion, my calling.

I thought that I couldn't burn out.

Well, that was not the case.

After so many years working in the same field, I went through a very difficult period where I had... mostly lost the joy that I felt for the work and things that before used to be pleasant and exciting, even doing the actual work and coaching and providing professional development that didn't feel as fulfilling as I had felt in the past.

But really, we know

So maybe you could tell us what happened at that moment and what had caused this to happen, what was kind of what had led to that moment, and just go from there.

Well, so I was walking with a colleague.

It was a beautiful morning, and we were discussing-- It was just a brainstorming conversation about he was helping me think through how to grow my consulting business, and he mentioned, like, a new line of work that I could consider.

And I noticed feelings of overwhelm just, like, really rising, almost kind of like from my stomach up.

Felt very overwhelmed and anxious about even considering something added to my plate.

And I started crying, which is something that I, I don't have an issue with, with crying, right? I think that it's a w- great way to release so many feelings, but it just took over, and I had to keep walking and just kind of like let, let the cycle go through.

And I-- that day, I, I had to really name for myself that something big wasn't working.

According to your model, what's the best way to begin?