So as, uh, the director for border security and immigration for the Heritage Foundation, uh, what are some of the, uh, more broader statistics you see across the United States in comparing sanctuary districts to, um, uh, actual districts that allow federal law enforcement to cooperate with local?

Well, we can see where states and localities cooperate with ICE to go in and, and pur- pursue arrest and deportation of the worst of the worst, and that's what the Trump administration has been touting, going after the, the murderers and the rapists and the drunk drivers and et cetera.

But it is these blue cities and blue states that have the sanctuary policies that refuse to let ICE into those communities, um, where, you know, crime continues, and Chicago is a perfect example.

Um, and if you look at, you know, the net migration, whether it's in or out of Chicago, more, uh, domestic migration, so that's, you know, Americans have been leaving Chicago instead of moving into Chicago, but more foreign, uh, people have been moving into Chicago.

And so this is the way New York City is.

You know, to elect, uh, M- Mamdani as mayor, um, is a key indicator of that.

But if the, the taxes are gonna be high, if crime's gonna be high, if it's a dangerous place to live, if it's not affordable, then, you know, people are gonna move out of the city.

Uh, do you?

I'm curious, what was your experience like in just the entire production of this documentary? And was there anything that you learned in the process that surprised you, even as somebody who works on border security immigration issues every day?

Well, I had watched Jessica's testimony before the House committee and read her written testimony and was just so impressed with her statement, both the written and the oral statement, and how she really pushed back on some of these members of Congress who had zero interest in listening to her story or a fellow witness there talk about the death of his daughter, also preventable.

And so I was very excited when I learned that the Gormans would be coming here to record.

But then I was nervous to meet them because I thought, you know, what am I going to say? This poor family and this this tragic, needless death.

And yet they walked right into the room.

We had lunch first, full of life, very chatty again with this great big gift bag.

It wasn't at all what I expected.

It sounds like, right, so it's ending sanctuary policies and then really looking into how to end this immigration fraud and fraudulent activity there.

When this is a private business that is running this, what kind of oversight do they have, and what kind of incentives do they have to provide humane, um, conditions?

Right.

So immigration standard, detention standards are, are very high.

They, uh, sometimes are, cannot be met by, for example, uh, state and local detention centers.

As I had mentioned previously, it's sometimes used as part of the model, um, because the, the standards are higher, uh, and, and that brings more cost.

And so sometimes state and local detention centers just decline to contract with the government.

Um, but the, uh, benefits, well, the, the, um, the standards that are required include regular medical, uh, treatment, attention, availability, uh, dental care, mental health care, recreation, uh, legal counseling, et cetera.

What do you think of that?