You're something, as I understand it, called leave it blank, which I guess is the middle between voting for Mike Rogers, as Dems for Rogers suggests, and voting for Abdul, right?

Well, thanks for having me on the show.

Look, I want to make very clear here.

I am not a Democrat for Mike Rogers.

I am not voting for Mike Rogers.

I'm not encouraging anyone to.

However, there are individuals within our party that are uncomfortable with Abdul.

How dare you? What do you tell them?

How do the fringes take over a party like this?

Well, I think each side looks at the actions of the other side, unfortunately, and use that as a justification to replicate their tactics and take it one step further.

And we've seen an escalation of skepticism Incivility, to use the politest word, since about 2010.

We saw Republicans that were so angry at Obama, and they crowded out anyone.

They demanded purity tests.

They demanded loyalty to their side, and anybody that would not go with them, they expunged.

And it led to extremism within the Republican Party.

or not New York, or Oregon, or Washington State, this doesn't seem like who Michigan is.

How do the fringes take over a party like this?

Well, I think each side looks at the actions of the other side, unfortunately, and use that as a justification to replicate their tactics and take it one step further.

And we've seen an escalation of skepticism Incivility, to use the politest word, since about 2010.

We saw Republicans that were so angry at Obama, and they crowded out anyone.

They demanded purity tests.

They demanded loyalty to their side, and anybody that would not go with them, they expunged.

And it led to extremism within the Republican Party.

or not New York, or Oregon, or Washington State, this doesn't seem like who Michigan is.

Uh, how do the fringes take over a party like this?

Well, I think each side looks at the actions of the other side, unfortunately, and use that as a justification to replicate, and, uh, their tactics, and take it one step further.

And this, we've seen an escalation of, of, uh, of incivility, uh, to, to, to use the politest word, um, since about 2010.

You know, we saw Republicans that were so angry at Obama, um, and they, they crowded out any, um, anyone.

They, they demanded purity tests.

They demanded loyalty to their side, and anybody that would not go with them, they expunged, and it led to, uh, extremism within the Republican Party.

Right.

A state that sent Debbie Stabenow.

What do you say to people who... are willing to hold their nose and vote for El-Sayed because they believe that in the Senate, one person can't impose all of their ideas on the rest of the Senate, but that one person can still be a devote when it comes to important issues.

Well, that's a good question.

I'm not here to answer that in terms of – I'm not expressing a concern about one party taking over the Senate.

What I'm here is discussing the dignity of leaving the Senate race blank and not embracing an extreme – what I'd feel is an extreme candidate.

That – That is a moral choice made by me and many others, and I'm not here to discuss who wins or who loses in the Senate.

I believe that if Abdul is our senator in Michigan, I think we'll not be well served, and I don't believe that I should be made to vote for either of these two candidates.

How does that mesh together?

I don't answer for President Obama.

What do you say to people who... are willing to hold their nose and vote for El-Sayed because they believe that in the Senate, one person can't impose all of their ideas on the rest of the Senate, but that one person can still be a devote when it comes to important issues.

Well, that's a good question.

I'm not here to answer that in terms of – I'm not expressing a concern about one party taking over the Senate.

What I'm here is discussing the dignity of leaving the Senate race blank and not embracing an extreme – what I'd feel is an extreme candidate.

That – That is a moral choice made by me and many others, and I'm not here to discuss who wins or who loses in the Senate.

I believe that if Abdul is our senator in Michigan, I think we'll not be well served, and I don't believe that I should be made to vote for either of these two candidates.

How does that mesh together? I don't answer for

President Obama.