Mm-hmm.

She, she loved freely, and it came back to her.

So I, at one point, this is a shameful story for me, but a good story for her, I was doing an early Sub for Santa, and I got a request for a size 18 women's shirt for a four-year-old.

Hmm.

And I thought, "Oh, mom wants a shirt," which is a very un-Christian thought to just assume that, but I figured, okay, they, you know, it's, it's a mistake.

So I went and met the family, like I always did in those days before Sub for Santa, and there was a little girl who was about up to my hips, and she would've needed a size 18 shirt.

Mm.

And I thought, "Oh, mom wants a shirt," which is a very un-Christian thought to just assume that.

But I figured, okay, that, you know- It's, it's a mistake.

So I went and met the family, like I always did in those days before Soup for Sunday, and there was a little girl who was about up to my hips, and she would've needed a size 18 shirt.

There was-

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Mm-hmm

...

so developmentally.

So they looked at, they have 12 policies that they know from different research really benefits families.

And when you benefit families, you benefit babies.

And so they looked, this particular report, they do an annual report called the m- uh, Roadmap, but this particular report actually looks back over 10 years to see what kind of progress has been made-

Right.

So you need some of these things, but if they're available, it helps.

Mm-hmm

...

so developmentally.

So they looked at, they have 12 policies that they know from different research really benefits families.

And when you benefit families, you benefit babies.

And so they looked, this particular report, they do an annual report called the m- uh, Roadmap, but this particular report actually looks back over 10 years to see what kind of progress has been made-

Right.

So you need some of these things, but if they're available, it helps.