What are the tools that s- that not just students, but really any of us, can use to start to identify those passengers?

That's where mindfulness comes in.

So the passenger framework, the passenger framework itself I wouldn't call mindfulness, and some of the techniques to work with the passengers I wouldn't call mindfulness.

But mindfulness itself is practicing and n- noticing different things arising in the present moment.

So the reason in my book that I assign mindfulness practices for students is so they get used to noticing the arising emotions and thoughts in their experience.

And when they do notice those, it makes them more likely to rec- to notice the passengers when they do surface.

In fact, it's crucial to use, to be somewhat mindful to notice these passengers when they arise, otherwise they're not gonna notice them and take, uh, and, uh, start taking those passengers' instructions without knowing it.

... for someone like that?