And then, so when did things go from like that time to, oh, actually, I'm going to make this a job?

So from 15.

So young.

And yeah, it is.

And, you know, I think my mum took me a good few times down to Dalston and Hackney and Clapton, Stoke Newington to do the radio.

like probably from from 15 to sort of 16 and then i was getting a train every week um on my own with with you know a big record bag because it weren't like today where you've just got a usb or a cd wallet like it was and they didn't have wheels back then as well so they was always heavier so i think a lot of the old djs have got sciatica from uh the big metal flight cases without the wheels um but yeah i kind of was doing the radio and For about five years, I was going around the country off of the back of radio as well.

So I have to say a big respect to Eastman.

At the time, were you guys the only people doing it or was there loads of other Jump Up things happening at the time for that sound?