So

a long time.

I'd had various different roles, mainly in selling at Lemonex.

From there, stepped into a different role because Lemonex took me to the city to live and didn't like living in the city.

So I had to try and find a way back out of there and ended up at a company that people that worked in 1989 would know the name of called Newbrick, which is now Austral Bricks.

And I was the...

Gippsland area sales manager for them for another seven or eight years.

Like a building permit fee