But maybe you could give us a bit more insight into Dave's character, you know, which is why he ends up uncrewed or likes to be uncrewed.

Yeah, I mean, I can't say I spent a lot of time with this guy, but I...

I still couldn't say I really know him particularly well, but I can say what I experienced because at the end of the day, I was getting maybe between 30 seconds and one and a half minutes with him because he would usually come in, go straight to bed.

And then before he went to bed, we would agree at what point I would wake him up.

So the conversation was very limited.

So I can't say I know his character so much, but...

To see him, I don't know, he's just totally blown my mind.

And maybe we should discuss that a little bit about why do you think that is? Where are these people coming from? Do you think they're suddenly discovering? Because people like Dave, has Dave Phillips ever done a backyard?