Mm.

So that's one thing.

The other one is that some contexts, Meline, are just so distressing and catastrophic, um, that is really quite hard to keep a compass in terms of, all right, let me only do solutions journalism.

Um, and some situations of some of these journalists, the persecutions that they are subjected to, um, the humiliations, uh, prison, torture, make it, make it very, very hard.

Um, but you know, there are some contexts where it is hard, uh, but you can focus on things.

Let's take Venezuela, for example.

I was astounded at the willingness of my colleagues in Venezuela to commit to solutions journalism despite the, you know, horrible, um, economic situation, the shortages, the violence, the, uh, um, uh, government pressure, and they were absolutely committed.

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