So Liz, can you tell us a bit about Simon's work on B&G in Ireland to date and how you think things have changed over recent

years? I started back in 2017 in the role and I wouldn't have come across the sort of consultancy sector.

So B&G was definitely new to me when I joined at that point.

From discussions in the committee and in my work, it definitely was coming in.

But I remember in the 2020 conference, we decided that it was a topic that was coming down the line and we wanted it covered.

And I remember it was pretty impossible to get any people involved I don't know if they were doing it in Ireland, but definitely nobody was willing to speak about doing it in Ireland.

Nobody was ready to talk about it yet, I suppose, at that point in 2020.

I think that would be one of my main aspirations if we did get BNG is just to try and make sure everybody comes to the table and know that it's not as difficult and as scary and as needless as what people might think from the