But when you think about your grief origin story, what is it?

Yeah.

Grief is such a rich topic and the direction I want to take it in the spirit of this conversation too is really my grief origin story around the state of the world and injustices in the world.

It's honestly the impetus for this path that I'm on, both in terms of social impact, social justice, sustainable development, as well as coming back around full circle to now the work that I do around collective healing and with We Heal for All.

But it really started, I was 19 on my college campus and I went to a liberal arts school.

And so there were required classes, required readings.

Up until this point, I'd been on a path of psychology and I was really interested in neuroscience, all this other stuff.

understanding me in the moment of my experience, but that recognition of not being alone and being held.

So it's an in-person experience and you go into a community.

Yes.

So it can be online or in person.

Okay.

And so, especially around the pandemic, I was doing a lot more.

And now with, you know, young family mode, I do a lot more virtual circles.

But there are 90-minute sessions that use meditation and storytelling and resonance practice, which is a form of embodied empathy to support people to process changes going on within themselves and changes going on in the world at large.

And so how do people like not avoid the pain of the world and take action and not feel hopeless, but also not get so overwhelmed and bogged down by it.