How do we create this balance between having the ownership and having the accountability and driving high performance but not making it so pressurised that people just feel so burnt out that they just can't cope?

I think it's really hard and I would argue increasingly harder in a day where we have technology that's moving so fast as well.

It is really difficult to shift our expectations of individuals while we are making businesses leaner and more efficient to not then expect the individual to just do twice as much because they have these tools.

I've experienced corporate burnout myself.

And that took me...

By shock, I didn't even see the warning signs coming.

So it's something that I'm quite passionate about being a bit more aware of, of what's going on in your team members, individual lives, you know, quite often for me, burnout doesn't come from the inability to do the job or the task that set it comes from confusion.

But also on a personal level, have I got five things in my diary in the next 90 days I'm looking forward to? So it's really interesting to hear you talk about that, that clarity piece.