So you as leaders out there that are listening to us, you have to understand it's a tool only and one that just like any other tool, just like consulting with somebody, you need to double check to make sure they know what they're talking about.

Exactly, exactly.

And then to go back to your question about these meetings that we've been in, last week's meeting brought together a lot of C-suite people, and I think that... we need to create those kinds of opportunities so we can have think tank, um, discussions and, and kind of so that we're all on the same page and moving forward.

What we do, there's no real secrets, you know, there's, there's some ways that we're moving forward that we're not sharing with everyone.

But, um, I think that we need to be able to do that so that there's some unity within our ASC community.

And that's the only way that's really going to happen.

And then you come to like state association meeting and that's your grassroots.

But what are your thoughts about how are we going to connect with the next leaders? How are we going to identify them?