So was it through the film? Was it through the ship? Was there like an origin moment for either one of you or both of you where Titanic kind of burrowed into your nervous system like it did for me and hasn't let go? Like, was there kind of an origin moment?

Well, I can't speak for Izzy, but for myself, I remember when I was like 12, my mum showing me these quote unquote adult movies to just enter.

I think it was like a gentle enter into puberty quite nicely.

So she showed me Grease, Dirty Dancing, Pretty Woman and also Titanic.

The first time I watched it, absolutely traumatised.

Never watched it, like, for a year or two after that.

But then when I watched it again, because I could...

Not just the movie, but the ship and the, you know, historical, all the historical kind of process of people remembering it, too.