And, uh, you know, she was a caring person.

She was very good, very good child.

Sean was a, a [laughs] well, he was, tested his mother a lot when he was little.

You know, he was into something all the time.

And when she w- she got older, she said, "Mom," she said, "When we were little, when Sean and I were little, Sean was the little devil and I was the little angel, right?" I said, "Yeah." "Well, when we got older, we changed places, didn't we?" [laughs] That's, you know, her humor.

[laughs] She was a little more, she was, I don't know.

She wasn't that difficult, but she wa- she tried me, you know, once in a while when she was growing up.

Linda also recalled for me one of the first times she spoke to Kevin after Shelly went missing.