And then as you were thinking about different ways to volunteer, Linda, so maybe as you're approaching retirement, that kind of thing, or you're just kind of looking at, "What am I gonna do after I stop working?" What were you thinking about how or whether you even could continue to volunteer?

What's interesting about that is that about the time that I was gonna retire, I had always thought in the back of my mind that I'd like to volunteer at the hospital as an adult and retired person in the pastoral care department.

I'm not sure whether you're familiar with this, but some hospitals and congregations of churches or synagogues or temples have what's called a, um, pastoral care Stephen Ministry program, and I wanted to do that.

And, but the closer I got to retirement age and the less I could see- I just thought I'm gonna have to erase it from my bucket list.

Luckily, I had some good friends who were saying, "What are you doing? Why can't you do that?" I said, "I can't see." And I happen to know that a lot of being able to communicate with people one-to-one is based on body language and expressions and things like that.

I was like, "No, I can't do that anymore." And so they basically, I'm going to say, badgered me.

[laughs] "Let's just do this anyway.

And Linda, what does volunteering bring to your life? What do you get out of it?