Pain

is always a danger signal.

It's different.

And I break it into thinking about, okay, well, with acute pain, even acute pain is affected by the brain and safety and our nervous system.

If you break your ankle, your ankle doesn't produce pain.

Your ankle sends a signal to the brain that says, I'm broken.

And your brain decides, is it in the best interest of your survival to produce pain? If you're running from a tiger...

Is that something that you talk about with your clients?

Was there a particular moment you can think on?

Yeah, there was, and it was kind of maybe a bit of accumulation of things, 'cause like my ther- it was really great.

I was working with a brilliant therapist who kind of kept me, kept me going during that time, and she had suggested like a mindfulness course and, you know, which I was like, "Oh, whatever, like how is this going to help?" I signed up for like nervous system regulation course, like never attended it, because like I just didn't believe that any of the, like I really didn't understand how what was happening in my head could impact my body.

Um, just really disconnected from myself and really dis-Didn't understand, and I think even at the time, the world didn't really understand just how important it was.

I mean, I'm sure many cultures would, uh, understand, but at least, like, kind of here in the Western world and in the, in the Western medical system.

But I listened to a podcast, and Dr. Howard Schubiner, I don't know if you've heard of him, he's an MD in the States, and he has done a huge amount of incredible work of mind-body pain and the mind-body connection, and that's kind of what he does now.

That's what he treats.

Mm-hmm.