But when Lillian asks me, wait, who is that person and what department are they from? That I know.

Yeah, for me, I would say that thinking about it's really easy when you think about numbers and in finance, we love numbers.

The story behind that is really important.

So in my role, I don't always have that story.

You know, numbers are really binary, right? You know, telling us the direction that we are going.

Are we trending in the right direction? But sometimes there's a story that provides even more meaning and more context.

as to why we may want to continue doing something, even though maybe the trend is not what it needs to be from a financial perspective.

And so the fact that we are willing to openly hear each other out and work toward a solution, it just makes the place that much more effective really