How does that work?

Yeah, it can work a couple different ways.

It sort of depends on the way that the production itself is sort of envisioned bringing me on.

So if they want a designer, if they're like, we need a designer, or then often it starts with a conversation with the director.

And, you know, those conversations with directors for designers, I think, initially are always very much about feeling each other out and seeing if we're going to play nicely together.

And... getting an idea of like what's realistic because many, I mean, the thing is that like almost anything is realistic as long as the budget is there.

But if the budget isn't there, then it's like, what can we do for the budget or the space? There are a lot of spaces that have limitations like Black Swan really wanted to do some water effects and ART was like, we can't do water effects here.

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