Lilia, what about where do you come into this conversation? Tell us about you.

Hi, hi, Sharon and Ben, and thanks so much for having us.

So I'm a senior lecturer at the University of Sydney Business School, but in this context, I'm the vice chair for ACRE, the Australasian Council for Undergraduate Research.

And we've been doing this work since, well, even before 2010, but in 2010, we really began a really strategic program.

At that time, there was very little acknowledgement that undergraduate students could do research and do great research.

And there was no organization or government agency that advocated for and supported undergraduate research.

So we decided to establish opportunities for undergraduates to share their research by setting up the annual ACO conference, which has now been going for 14 years strong.

So just interested.