But also as a person, Brent, what was he like?

Yeah.

Wow.

Where to start? He was and is an amazing human.

And so yeah, like John Hancock and Lorraine Leaney, he had been instrumental in, in the early days of, uh, Delegates and Oyster Bay.

And you know, I didn't know it at the time, but you know, he and, he and Jim Delegate had done some amazing stuff over a number of years that we all have a lot to be thankful for, for those early achievements.

And so I'd actually worked for Brent's dad, John, in my teenage years in his vineyards, and so we had a bit of a connection through that, um, which was cool.

Tell me a little bit about how that went.