yeah how did that tour work for Weird Ocean did it gain the traction you wanted were you coming off stage and noticing a sales or well nah streaming there'd be a streaming difference at that point

yeah I don't know if it did masses for us to be honest because we never went back to Portugal and it was two Portugal dates was it two Portugal dates Portugal, Switzerland and a couple of dates in Italy I think we went back to Italy we went back to Switzerland I don't think it did masses for us mhm I don't know, to be honest.

But just from a personal level, it did the most.

And then after that, I think for me, on reflection, I've done a lot of going back and through counselling and whatever else and just trying to figure where the train left the track.

But after that, because we'd been so... you know on it for years with writing records releasing and touring that was the moment I should have stepped back and said I need a break I need to like just have a moment you know do something else um but I didn't and also you know at that time um As I said before, I was drinking a hell of a lot.

And yeah, just kind of carried on drinking.

There's a lot of that stuff.

then you do that one,

but w- to do it without them?

There was no difficulty whatsoever.

Like, you know, we still talk to Dan, Jack, and Tom and, you know, we regularly meet up and hang out.

Um, you know, there was a moment, I think, earlier on last year where we put it to the table about We The Ocean reforming between the four, uh, me and Alfie, Dan, and Jack.

Um, obviously Dan's always part of that conversation, but Dan, uh, you know, I love Dan, he just, he just, it's not him.

He's said that, and, like, we have to respect that.

Um, and that's, that's great.

Guitars on.