And then, um, what made you th- go from, say, EJ, AORC or AEC style racing, bush racing, to focusing on the desert stuff?

Um, pretty much just, like, obviously my dad's always done Finke and, you know, my parents.

So it's just more what I liked riding more.

You know, I like the thrill of, you know, going fast and, you know, the speeds of it.

I think it just suits me more.

I suit the long distance more.

You obviously have the cross-countries and stuff at the off-roads but, yeah, I just like the...

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