I know you have a huge channel online and you've retired, but tell us about you.

Well, first, again, I've been with you before, Lisa, and thank you so much for allowing me to be on your broadcast here again.

I was a therapist in the Dallas-Fort Worth area for about 41 years.

And so that means I had a whole lot of one-on-one experience with a lot of people.

I ran a lot of anger management classes and many different seminars on emotional well-being, et cetera.

And so I've been down in the trenches for a long time.

And one of the things that if you're going to be an effective communicator is you need to be learning from the people that you engage with.

These accusations, a lot of people ask me, actually, I'm going to throw the question to you even, when they accuse you of the thing being difficult, Do they think that you're being difficult or are they trying to get you to react in some way? I think the answer is probably it depends on both, you know, but what do you

So how can we start to frame that and look at that differently to realize neglect is abuse?

Good.

Well, let's understand that one of the goals, part of the end game that the covert narcissist has is they want to empty you of you.

and they want to fill you with them.

Now, you just pause right there, and we go to our word abuse.

Abuse just basically means that they're going to create some sort of injury toward you.

They're damaging toward you.

We're immediately thinking, well, what am I doing to make them feel that way? How can I make them feel different? How can I make them feel better? And especially with a covert narcissist, well with any narcissist you never feel enough but with a covert narcissist there's always going to be more that you could do for them like they're always going to be the victim because they always want to be in that role so there's never going to be enough sympathy pity help resources time money that you can feed into them where they're ever going to say oh okay now let's be balanced that's just not going to happen