I mean, certainly you've seen, you've seen that in your career as well.

Well, we, we talked about it as a check airman.

You know, my two favorite stories was one, well, for the most part, was, uh, as a segment six, 767 check airman, a lot of times I would get captains that came off the Super 80.

So that thing on the ground is like a go-kart, you know, versus the 767.

There's a different sight picture for landing.

And you know, it was always, like you said, in the back of a glider, "When do I intervene?" And it-- you just knew inevitably that at some point, that, that particular, uh, initial operating experienced student was gonna basically fly the, the thing right into the concrete.

But how far do you let that happen? You know, do you just make it embarrassing? Is it going to be a point where, you know, the wheels are gonna come off the bus? People are gonna be scared.

I think, I think the technology's getting there.

You fly a Piper Arrow now, and you look at a guy like Les Abend, you say, "Well, there's a guy that's gonna take off in any kind of weather." Not so, right?

No, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm scared.

[laughs] You know, uh, it, it, it, and, and it's, and it's good to be scared.

Um, you, you, you, you mitigate your risks like, like we all know, but, um, you know, I would, I would just as soon stay on the ground, um, you know, rather than, than get up in the air if I see something that's questionable.

And one of my favorite co-pilots is my wife, and my favorite passenger, and there's nothing I would do to, uh, to make her uncomfortable or, or, or scared.

Yeah.

Uh, the Cherokee Six was really my first airplane when [laughs] I finally convinced my wife to, to, to, to, uh, to, to purchase.

So then you went into something very different.

But based on what you've seen, have you drawn any conclusions about what caused this accident?

Well, I have, Kayla, to some extent.

Maybe I give you a little better perspective on what pilots would have been thinking just prior to this landing.

I would have known that this wind was gusty.

We would have added a factor we call gust factor to it.

Hopefully, that's what they did.

It's an easy mathematical formula that just adds gusts.

How are these planes built to withstand something like this, and how remarkable is it that it held up?