Um, uh, bring us up to date on how far the Europeans have gotten and w- how their political concept of engaging in a world characterized by weaponized interdependence, uh, currently stands.

Yeah, I think what is new for the Europeans is that now, that they're now facing weaponized interdependence, uh, from both sides.

You know, uh, uh, t- the Europeans have, or especially the European Union, has faced Chinese economic coercion for, for many, many years.

Um, but since the onset of the second Trump administration, the economic pressure is, is, is coming from United States as well.

And I think in some ways that has led to a, a, an awakening in, not necessarily in Brussels.

I think within the European Union, uh, Union's commission, there's always been awareness, uh, of the issue, but in, in, in many capitals.

And I think that is starting to move the debate ahead.

Leonard.